tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post7880953160018154020..comments2023-11-05T00:25:53.153-07:00Comments on Jon Davies Severe Weather Notes: Radar data and the Silver Lining Tours incident 5/28/19 south of Lawrence, KansasJon Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14044746324804312344noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-16481346062780082472019-06-03T18:12:29.575-07:002019-06-03T18:12:29.575-07:00As a guest of storm chasing tours I am sick to dea...As a guest of storm chasing tours I am sick to death of reading that I am a naive exploited victim of greedy tour companies. We sign massive waivers, we know the potential danger. The reason we chase with professiinals like Silver Linings is because it is far safer than jumping into a car and trying to do it ourselves as a novice.<br /><br />Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06049361682105087348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-59529297422648963222019-06-03T13:57:46.799-07:002019-06-03T13:57:46.799-07:00Get him! Some folks don't even want to walk ou...Get him! Some folks don't even want to walk outside due to harmful sun rays, or the threat of a bee sting or who knows what. These tours involve a certain risk/reward. If you don't like it, stay home. This was an isolated incident. I know there are those who "get too close" but natural selection will take care of those who aren't careful. These chasers also help people who live where the storms hit, when possible.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159865176699884361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-78164548886985228922019-06-03T13:19:16.184-07:002019-06-03T13:19:16.184-07:00Oh don't be so wet! God, from the people who b...Oh don't be so wet! God, from the people who built America and explored the frontier, to people like you. Grow a pair and get some guts. I've been on a storm chasing tour and I was fully aware that something like this could happen. I wanted to get close to tornadoes, that's why I went on the tour.<br /><br />The very last thing America needs is more government regulation and tax of anything. There is more than enough already.<br /><br />"Creating a mass casualty incident" - oh please! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663016106702067444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-25398739051364633122019-06-02T16:20:07.296-07:002019-06-02T16:20:07.296-07:00Sorry that some additional commenters are showing ...Sorry that some additional commenters are showing up as 'Unknown', not sure what the problem is. I'll have to check that.<br /><br />Thanks James and Jesse for your comments, and everyone else... I appreciate the discussion!<br />Jon Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14044746324804312344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-3817493930909459002019-06-02T15:37:58.620-07:002019-06-02T15:37:58.620-07:00Not sure why it is Unknow... I am Jesse PostNot sure why it is Unknow... I am Jesse PostAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07350122570851559512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-83149507041201747392019-06-02T15:37:19.132-07:002019-06-02T15:37:19.132-07:00Excellent write-up! I absolutely appreciate the pi...Excellent write-up! I absolutely appreciate the pioneers of our professions and look forward to m,any more adventures in the future. My only extraordinary thought though is similar to within your 2nd to last paragraph. I basically thought that concept was a given already and regularly performed, at all expenses, given the profound element of "multiple lives" at stake for the "unknown". Many of us have seen these southern flanks do crazy things with HP developments and sequences. Even recent events have proven that the "unknown" is somewhat common......and has been documented. Therefore we need not breach that threshold. Did we not learn from them? Personally I believe that one individual's actions, "dangerous" or not, is one thing....especially if they don't include endangering others at the time.... but vans full of people, at the hands of someone else, is completely another domain of sacrifice; and the word "sacrifice" should be a more common approach....Tomorrow is another day, versus endangering for the Now. I've seen touring customers (many even from other countries) that are completely ecstatic about even basic shelf cloud sequences, and sunset structures, and will gladly return for more. I don't believe that any guest would neither debate nor berate a company's decision to "not get too close" due to the imminent dangers of HP event's lack of viewing. And by "too close" I mean completely out of the rain veil and in enough open area to be able to see any new developments....even if it means completely clear of the track, for miles, it is what it is.... There's always another storm cell to view, or day to pursue them....Stay safe out there everybody and I look forward to seeing y'all on the Plains! #SacrificeForLifeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07350122570851559512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-36941647360155707522019-06-02T15:31:18.059-07:002019-06-02T15:31:18.059-07:00I didn't mean to post is unknown my name is Ja...I didn't mean to post is unknown my name is James SeitzAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14479851038167738253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-25468867224730853242019-06-02T15:30:14.654-07:002019-06-02T15:30:14.654-07:00It's really easy for people from an armchair t...It's really easy for people from an armchair to tell people that they messed up. I've been chasing for 25 years I have been close and I have been far. Rodger Hill is one of them better Chaser out there is not the best and to judge him is only for him to do and the people in his care. He has been doing this for years and kept people safe for years. If people think he's unsafe they'll quit doing this his tour. Like I said I've been out there for 25 years and decisions have to be made in a Split Second so everybody can get off their high horse and let the people involved judge for themselvesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14479851038167738253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-86298594108775773702019-06-02T14:54:27.212-07:002019-06-02T14:54:27.212-07:00Thanks everyone for your comments!
The 'Unkno...Thanks everyone for your comments!<br /><br />The 'Unknown' commenter above is Randy Denzer, and I'd just say in response that the only way to keep situations like this from happening in the future is to outlaw tour groups entirely. Being practical, I don't think that's going to happen any time soon. I also question whether Randy read and absorbed the article in its entirety, including the suggestion of giving HP storms a wide berth, even for experienced chasers. Had I been chasing the Lawrence storm (I wasn't), I might have been near the same location as SLT (2 miles SSE of the visual mesocyclone), following protocol to stay SE of the meso as most chasers/spotters are taught to do. So that gives me pause. But to accomplish what Randy seems to be suggesting, maybe storm chasing should be outlawed altogether :-) :-(. That seems a little drastic.Jon Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14044746324804312344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-74144008663074746872019-06-02T14:31:03.694-07:002019-06-02T14:31:03.694-07:00This incident should have never happened but yet e...This incident should have never happened but yet every seasoned chaser knew it would. Tour companies loading truly unsuspecting passengers into a van and taking them even remotely close to any supercell is a disaster waiting to happen. Whats even worse in my opinion is the fact that everyone is somehow saying this was ok because they were not aware. If you want to know just how "minor" this incident was, ask the local communities which were impacted by a tour company creating a mass casualty incident in their area during a natural disaster. Their opinions should be at the forefront of any excuse being provided by tour operator/owners. 23 of their first responders were tied up transporting or attending to 12 patients while their own community needed them badley. SLT should be billed for the response and backfill this "minor" mass casualty caused. <br /><br />The real disaster here is that this will be excused so it will happen again.<br /><br />Tour companies should be highly regulated and taxed for the potential mass casualties they bring with them. <br /><br />I am hoping the NTSB gets involved in this incident to bring needed change to these unregulated interstate tour businesses. Simular to what we did for the Balloon crash that caused 16 hirrific deaths in central Texas. Ill bet the next tour bus accident will be much worse. And, again, we all know its coming.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03180815063975110474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-75626637867111296992019-06-02T14:11:08.619-07:002019-06-02T14:11:08.619-07:00Wonderful write up as usual, Jon. Thanks so much f...Wonderful write up as usual, Jon. Thanks so much for your input! Lannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865949130639253678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2399626414603781513.post-66844000642380902022019-06-02T14:03:46.375-07:002019-06-02T14:03:46.375-07:00
Great analysis, Jon! Almost too complex for me,...<br /> Great analysis, Jon! Almost too complex for me, but I will try to pinpoint our location.(I was following Doug).We were in the vicinity. Awesome explanation! <br />Rick Schmidthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03074084410170046215noreply@blogger.com